John McCain is a Monster We Created

The biggest irony in American presidential politics is that during elections we laud someone for having a firm, unwavering, axiomatic position on a topic because it means that that person is dependable and firm enough to hold the highest office in the land. But in the day to day of this person's term, we criticize him or her for not changing positions and bending his or her policy to the will of the American people.

John Kerry flip-flopped in 2004 over the most minor topic. We ended up with someone who didn't. And what we continued to get is a president who has no intention of listening to the will of the American people and ratcheting down our involvement in Iraq.

In a lot of ways, John McCain is a monster that we created. I'm reminded of Arianna Huffington's ebullient praise in 2004 and 2005 for his judgment, "straight-talk" and willingness to go against party leadership. But his resolve was deeper than that: he went against the grain because it appears to be in his nature to stake out a position and ride it to its grave. Every four years, that's exactly what we want.

So tonight during the debate in an election year that is once again about who's the most consistent, it seems only natural that Barack Obama would snipe at Hillary Clinton for being "for" drivers licenses for undocumented workers before she was against it. (Clearly that is a lie because she was asked if she endorses Spitzer's attempt to provide tiered license privileges to undocumented workers-- her answer was No, but that "it made sense" to her why he would do that.) And the damage was done, because it carries a stigma in the same kind of race where McCain gains political capital on his nonsensical belief that because he was for the war, he must consistently be for war forever until it's "complete."

Of course, I understand our inclination to want to make a clean break and start over what has been consistently an overridingly gloomy political outcome the past seven years. Barack Obama's main narrative pivots on the notion that because he had a position on Iraq that's popular today and that he's had other positions in his brief tenure as a U.S. Senator that he's not had to re-evaluate, that he must be consistent and consistently right. Bill Richardson was right to denounce that kind of attitude as "holier-than-thou" in a previous debate, because in reality nothing could be further from the truth than the signals Obama has cast: every politician is a real person with real flaws, real drawbacks, and real issues.

And Hillary Clinton is one of those real people having been on the scene for nearly 20 years: she has fantastic qualities and drawbacks, victories and failures to show for her experience- just as John Edwards did. But she is a politician that we know. She is a public servant who has delivered. She is a Democrat who has earned the begrudged respect of people from across the aisle.

When are we going to reject the politics of "down with the ship" and say with resolve that it's okay for someone to have one position and then change course? When are we going to reject the politics of "anyone previously well known is old news"? When are we going to realize that the people whose past failures are plain as the eyes can see are not damaging to that person's credibility, but more likely evidence of future lessons learned?

I reject the notion that someone whose mistakes are ahead of him in his short tenure in national politics makes him a better candidate with better judgment or even likely to be right on day one. John Edwards was no less a candidate for having voted for trade deals in the past and then reacting to the evidence he saw in order to change course. And Hillary Clinton is no less a candidate for voting to give authorization (the terms of which had mutually-agreed-upon conditions) to use force in defense of the United States going on to say as she has repeatedly that if she had it do over, she wouldn't have done it. If either Edwards or Clinton were President at the time, there wouldn't have been a war. Their judgment is fine.

And it's not enough to inspire confidence that a position one took and which he continues to take is enough to ensure that a candidate is reasonable and wise enough to be POTUS. The politics of "Right from the Start" is the politics of John McCain: take a position and ride it to the end. It's time to elect someone with experience for a change-- experience taking stumbles and being gracious enough to get back up and chart a new course.



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sooo you link Obama and McCain?
and "gracious enough to get back up and chart a new course."
Unlike Edwards, HRC has never admitted her 2002 vote was a mistake, nothing gracious about that.

Maybe Iraq is on the back burner for you...not me.
...and not for a lot of folks voting on Tuesday trying to decide between two qualified Dems.


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 01:25:41 AM EST

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What I find insulting is Hillary's refusal to admit any mistake and then trying to act like we would have made the same mistake when she uses that "slap to the face" line that "if we knew back then what we know now".

What?>? I know I knew back then that the PNAC morons and likeminded idiots have been pushing for a war with Iraq for years. For Hillary to say, that she was misled is ridiculous. There was no surprise that Bush and Cheney lied.


by Pravin on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 01:38:26 AM EST
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Hillary to say, that she was misled is ridiculous. There was no surprise that Bush and Cheney lied.

Congratulations, you win the prize for contradicting yourself in two sentences. To find out about a lie is to know then what we know now-- but we didn't know then what we know now: hence, if she knew then what we know now...


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 01:42:26 AM EST
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What contradiction. If she really got misled by the lie, she is a freaking moron. No way, she was ignorant of the desperation in the Bush-Cheney camp to go to war.


by Pravin on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 01:59:33 AM EST
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Circular arguments are very silly.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 02:01:28 AM EST
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What is circular. I do not buy the argument that she was misled. We knew back then what she claims we know only now and that includes her. She just does not want to admit it, because to think otherwise would indicate she is a foolish woman.


by Pravin on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 02:07:30 AM EST
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He is trying to point something out to you...

"misled"
"lie"

Read your comments and understand why it doesn't make sense.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 02:14:24 AM EST
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Don't be so dense.  He just said he doesn't believe that she was misled by the lie.  It's pretty clear.    Someone can be a liar, but that doesn't mean that the "lie-ee" is necessarily going to be misled.  Al Gore, for example, saw right through the lies.  So did Barack Obama.  


Go back to Hussein Texas
by gobacktotexas on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 10:49:23 AM EST
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If a lie isn't proven to be a lie until after the invasion, is she wrong to say that she wouldn't have gone along with the lie had she known it to be a lie? The lie was that the authorization was meant to circumvent the need to invade on the condition that we would get a new mandate from the Security Council, which we did, that would put inspectors on the ground, which it did, and that they would fully ascertain the "threat." "Fully" was the lie. So, it remains silly to me that she is guilty of not knowing until the lie was proven to be a lie that it was going to be a lie. Gimmicks aside, the fact remains that she is more than concerned about how to end this conflict responsibly.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 02:15:55 AM EST
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My point wasnt one didnt need to wait for proof to know there was lying going on.

My friends and I knew(maybe you didn't) they were lying back then. Her lack of sufficient skepticism of the intelligence reports gives me pause about her judgement.


by Pravin on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 02:23:13 AM EST
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Well then if your position is that one doesn't need proof to know that there is a lie, then everything can be a lie and anyone can be against anything without reason. Your lack of faith in her is apparent. However, I don't think there is any doubt about her commitment to rectifying the damage that sole "decider" of where are troops can be at the moment, George Bush, has done.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 02:29:45 AM EST
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I think my point was fairly clear. And I care about Iraq also, which is why I'm supporting someone who has serves on the Senate Armed Services Committee and has researched extensively how to exit the combat theater responsibly. "Right from the beginning" is not enough to elect a president-- it's a gimmick, just as the straight-talk express is a gimmick.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 01:39:17 AM EST
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Well, here's a cringe-worthy little piece of election year blow-back from Ann Coulter, if you can stand it.  I reckon Hillary's a hawk but this takes the cake.  And here I was considering McCain just last week, I'm ashamed to admit it now.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:51:10 AM EST
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I didn't know we were in the habit of giving Ann Coulter credibility.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 12:38:46 PM EST
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If anything her credibility is diminishing in ever-decreasing little circles as she threw this tail-spin.  And when is cringe-worthy a compliment?  But did you watch the clip?  I thought it was very amusing on several levels.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 03:53:28 PM EST
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I watched the clip. I couldn't give a rat's ass about it. I stopped giving Ann Coulter the the courtesy of even a second of thought after she called John Edwards a faggot. I see you still have an interest.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 10:29:30 PM EST
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Crikey, I wouldn't have missed it for quids.  I love elections.  Where the rubber meets the road, and everyone goes back to pretending to be normal afterwards.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 11:00:48 PM EST
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I think if you are going to be honest about it, you have to acknowledge there was a good deal of cynicism about Democrats voting for the war.

This preview of Lincoln Chafee's new book is pretty telling, I think. Chafee talks about meeting with the CIA to review the "evidence:"

"What they had, I discovered as the meeting stretched into an hour, was next to nothing," recalls Chafee. "They showed me what they had with little comment and no enthusiasm. Someone handed me one of the infamous aluminum tubes, the kind we were told Saddam was using to enrich weapons-grade uranium while plotting mushroom clouds over America, the `smoking gun' that Condoleezza Rice warned about.

"I looked at the aluminum tube, looked at the analysts and thought, I can go buy one of these at Adler's Hardware," the Providence hardware emporium, writes Chafee.

"Few members of Congress were willing to stand up to the schoolyard tough [Mr. Bush] and in the early morning hours of Oct. 11, 2002, weeks before the crucial midterm elections, he bullied them into declaring Saddam an imminent threat."

And then this...

Unlike members of his own party, Democratic senators were not getting the influence, home-state goodies, White House invites and Congressional pork that goes with being in the majority. The Democrats had learned not to trust Mr. Bush before the Twin Towers and the Pentagon burst into flame on Sept. 11.

A bewildered Chafee, seeking an explanation, turned to an unnamed Democratic senator who opposed the war but was well-respected by his party's leaders. This senator tells Chafee "in confidence" what concerned the Democrats. "They are afraid the war will be over as fast as Gulf One. Few will die, the oil will flow and gasoline will cost 90 cents a gallon."

I think that's exactly right. Clinton (and many others) didn't really believe we were in danger from Saddam Hussein's Iraq. How could they? The evidence was laughable. Instead, they figured the war would be a success and were afraid of being branded weak on national security, the perpetual weakness of Democrats.

So it's not so much Clinton's inconsistency, as it was her willingness to go along with Bush on this, that I think disturbs many progressives.


by animated on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:21:22 AM EST

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Well, if you want to get cynical why not ask why Chafee is writing that now after he's lost his Senate seat?


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 12:40:05 PM EST
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Well, you can say that but then if you did watch the whole speech then you would have seen numerous phrases such as, and I'm paraphrasing, "this enables the Administration to go back to the UN to scrap the 1998 resolution and call for new inspections" or "this is not a vote for pre-emptive war, which threatens American foreign policy" or "if Saddam fails to comply with the new resolution, then there would be world-backing and clear authority to launch a pre-emptive strike." I can't argue with what you say is clear to you when you watched, I'm hoping, the whole speech. But let's not suggest here that it was a speech about needing to go to war.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 12:43:42 PM EST


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